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Friday, April 10, 2015

Ectopic/tubal Pregnancy Abortion

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Ectopic/tubal Pregnancy Abortion

Recently, I was addressed with the question: "Is abortion acceptable in a case of Ectopic/tubal pregnancy?"  Honestly, I didn't know that much about it. All I could really say on the subject was what I’d just heard from other people’s perception of it. So, today I did my research. I was amazed by what I learned. The truth is, the more I study and educate myself about health in general, the more I see why it is so important to do so. You almost have to be your own doctor, because you cannot simply believe what others will tell you or blindly follow the flow of society. I hope this information is maybe helpful to you, and if nothing else, educational. So, I would encourage you, reader, to research and to study for yourself. It is good to know what we believe and why.

So, what is Ectopic Pregnancy?
Definition of ectopic

  •     Pregnancy with the fertilized embryo implanted on any tissue other than the uterine lining
  •         95% of ectopics are in the tube, 1.5% abdominal, 0.5% ovarian and 0.03% are in the                 cervix
  •         Only a 2% chance that a pregnancy will be Ectopic/tubal

My perception of "Ectopic/tubal pregnancy" from all I'd ever heard was that it was a case where, if not somehow prevented, the baby would inevitably always die and the mother could possibly then die as well. MOST people think this is true and therefore use an abortive, either drug or surgery, to immediately end the pregnancy. If the baby is dying anyway, and the life of the mother is therefore then put at risk, why would you hesitate to abort the baby? Although this thinking logically does make sense, it didn't sit right with me. How could it ever be acceptable to murder a baby? It couldn't be.

Every "medical website" said the same thing. With Ectopic pregnancy there is no other option than to abort the baby immediately before you put yourself at fatal risk. The doctors would advocate that you go in for emergency abortive surgery. A few websites admitted to certain "exceptions" or "rare cases" where the baby somehow survived outside the mother's uterus. But those were rare and somewhat unacceptable.

When I came across a story of a mother that safely kept her Ectopic baby full term, I was pleasantly surprised and it opened an avenue of information! Here is the account:

Rare baby survives outside womb: Montreal doctor
CBC News Posted: Aug 12, 2003 10:16 AM ET Last Updated: Aug 12, 2003 10:16 AM ET

Surgeons in Montreal performed a C-section and found a baby managed to grow and develop outside his mother's uterus. Dionne Grant, 29, and her newborn son should be going home later this week. Although she is camera shy, Grant wanted the world to see her baby. He does not yet have a name. Dr. Robert Sabbah, head of obstetrics and gynecology at Sacr-Coeur Hospital, said he only discovered the problem after deciding to perform an emergency caesarean section on the Jamaican tourist last week.
"When I opened the cavity I quickly discovered that the uterus was not like it was supposed to be," said Sabbah. "As soon as I explored the abdominal cavity I noticed there were feet in the cavity just floating around. So as fast as I could I took out the baby."
He said that abdominal ectopic pregnancies occur in one in 10,000 pregnancies. In 99 per cent of the cases, the babies die. There are only a dozen similar cases in the world, according to obstetricians. Doctors believe the baby survived because the placenta glued itself to the top of the uterus, accessing blood to nourish the baby. Sabbah said he's thrilled to have been part of the surgery and even more thrilled that both his patients are doing so well.

Ectopic/tubal pregnancy baby survivors actually aren't as impossible as I would have thought. I think the reason they are more uncommon, is because woman are told that the "abortion of the baby" is the ONLY option and therefore, the baby is never even given the chance to try to live. I was shocked by how many stories I came across where the mother actually was somehow able to carry her baby even outside the uterus lining. Weird. But it is possible. It is most common, however, that the baby will naturally die. At approximately 8 to 9 weeks most tubal pregnancies will rupture. This can be dangerous for the mother, with risks of hemorrhaging, internal bleeding, and possible infection, and it is extremely important that she gets medical help; although, it is still not unheard of that both the baby and the mother survives even a tubal rupture. (I'm honestly unsure how that works, but I do believe the baby has to be past 28 weeks.) 

So, is it actually as dangerous a threat to the mother's life as is commonly made out to be?

No, not really. And while there is a chance that the mother could die, it isn't as high as I would have thought. I found this particular website, and the information from it, extremely helpful.

The actual survival rate is more likely to be 99.4%.

 A more accurate percentage could be obtained by considering that deaths associated with ectopic pregnancies only make up about 6% of the yearly maternal deaths in America. If this figure were to be applied to the maternal mortality rate of southern Israel, we would derive that there were .03 ectopic related deaths per year for that region. When that figure is divided by an average of 4.8 tubal ruptures per year, we arrive at the conclusion that a woman in southern Israel has a 99.4% chance of surviving an ectopic pregnancy which is not aborted prior to rupture.

A similar calculation for America produces a lowest possible minimum of 97.7% survival.

    In addition, we could calculate the maternal risk from the total number of heterotopic pregnancies (twins with one child in the womb and the other being ectopic) in America. According to Dr. Tenore of the Northwestern University Medical School in Chicago, this type of pregnancy occurs in 1 out of every 2,600 pregnancies, and 50% of them (1 out of every 5,200 pregnancies) "are identified only after tubal rupture." According to the American Pregnancy Association, there are approximately 6 million pregnancies per year in the US. Therefore, there are an average of 1,154 heterotopic pregnancies every year in America which are not even discovered much less treated prior to tubal rupture. The CDC reported that there are an average of 26.3 maternal deaths per year that are ectopic related. If we assumed that all of these ectopic related deaths were the result of an undiagnosed heterotopic pregnancy (a condition which only makes up 1% of the total number of ectopic pregnancies), then we would still arrive at a maternal survival rate of 97.7%.

     The claim that an unborn child cannot survive an Ectopic pregnancy:

a. Between 1809 and 1935, there were 316 reported live births from ectopic pregnancies.

 Two OBGYNs in New York, Dr.’s Hellman and Simon, published details on 316 ectopic pregnancies which resulted in live births between 1809 and 1935. Only half of these children survived their first week of life, but these births occurred before the development of the first neonatal intensive care unit, and most of them before the discovery of penicillin in 1928.  With modern technology, it is likely that many more would have survived.

b. With modern technology, there have been even more of these births in recent years in spite of the insistence that abortion is the only viable treatment.

    In September of 1999, Ronan Ingram was successfully delivered via c-section.  Ronan had implanted in one of his mother’s fallopian tubes which subsequently ruptured as he grew into the abdominal cavity. In May of 2008, Durga Thangarajah was born after spending a full nine months in her mother’s ovary. Sage Dalton was born in July of 1999 after developing in the amniotic membrane outside her mother’s womb. Billy Jones was born in 2008 after developing in his mother’s abdominal cavity. Many additional reports could be given.

The claim that termination is the only treatment for ectopic pregnancies that is recognized by the medical profession:

 Many OBGYNs have recommended allowing ectopic pregnancies to resolve on their own.
Dr.’s Sapuri and Klufio, for example, have recommended that women discovered to have an ectopic pregnancy prior to 28 weeks of gestation should be admitted to a hospital and closely monitored.  They stress that blood transfusion facilities should be readily available in case of hemorrhage, and they suggest that once the child has reached 28 weeks of gestation, he should be delivered surgically.

An Ectopic/tubal pregnancy certainly could be dangerous and definitely isn't ideal, but it isn't impossible either. Abortion isn't the only option, as doctors conclude and people ignorantly and blindly believe. It shouldn't even be an option. If there is still a possibility that you could save your Ectopic/tubal pregnancy...why wouldn't you try? If there was even a small chance that you could somehow keep the life of your baby, isn't that something to consider? To most doctors and pro-choice representatives, it is seen only as a "blob of tissue" that could possibly be a fatal risk, so they insist on immediate removal. And I think maybe even most pro-life christians just blindly believe what the doctor tells them to do. But it is a life. And outside the mother's uterus or not, it is worth fighting for.


  1. Thanks Lynea for sharing your research. It's amazing. I had never heard about Ectopic/tubal pregnancies before. Really amazing. I enjoyed reading this. Now I will have an answer if and when someone asks me the question. :)

    1. Thanks Toni. Ya, I was amazed by what I learned too. Glad it was helpful. :)

  2. Thanks for researching this for both of us Nay. It is always amazing to me that you can't believe what you hear and to be a good steward of your life you truly need to do your own research on topics.

    1. Thanks Liss. You are right- you pretty much have to be your own doctor. :)

  3. I ruptured. Internally I bled for over a week. I knew something was wrong but thought it would be ok, I thought I was wrong and I didn't want to hear the truth. It almost killed me, when I arrived at the hospital I was almost done, as my doctor said 2 more hours at the max and I'd have been delivered to the hospital DOA. How many women have died in comparison to those who have lived and been lucky enough to deliver their baby? I promise you that it is a significantly larger number of fatalities. These are women who thought like me. They are women who waited. I was brought into emergency surgery for 6 hours. That surgery broke my heart, it still breaks my heart, but don't give these people false hope. Don't try convince these women to wait. Your not a doctor. And unless you have suffered from an ectopic pregnancy then your say on the matter is meaningless and uneducated. And for those who actually have suffered through it, an article like this only makes it worse. I'm sorry but it does. In ectopic cases the surgery is the only option because sadly miracle cases like the ones listed above are rare. Wether you believe it is right or not to terminate an ectopic pregnancy or any pregnancy where the mother and child's life hangs in the balance is of little interest to to those actually going through it. Sorry rant over

  4. If you take the advice of the person who wrote this article, she will most likely kill you.

    1. Minni Thompson, I appreciate you taking the time to give your impute on our blog. Although there are a few things I would like to say in response to your comment. Firstly, I am so sorry for your loss. That must have been such a hard and heartbreaking experience to go through and I am sincerely sorry that my post obviously made it harder for you. That was not my intention. However, some of things you accused me of in this post were not completely fair. You are right. I am NOT a doctor. I never claimed to be. You said, "unless you have suffered from an Ectopic pregnancy then your say on the matter is meaningless and uneducated." This actually isn't true. For example, I don't need to have gone through cancer before I can know what effects cancer can have on someone. Just like going through a traumatic experience doesn't automatically qualify someone either. Would I have more understanding (not necessarily education) on the subject of Ectopic pregnancy if I had experienced one as you did? Yes. Absolutely I would. But this was not the point of my post. The point of this post was to ENCOURAGE people to STUDY it out for THEMSELVES. I never once said- "this is what you do with an Ectopic pregnancy". I simply meant to point out the other side. The side that women are never told. You also said in your comment to me, "Don't try convince these women to wait." Again, I never once encouraged women to wait in this post. In fact, if you recall, I encouraged the complete opposite. I said, "women discovered to have an Ectopic pregnancy prior to 28 weeks of gestation should be admitted to a hospital and closely monitored." You also said, " If you take the advice of the person who wrote this article, she will most likely kill you." This is unfair. I never gave specific advice, other than basically, 'don't believe everything you are told but study it out for yourself'. I don't see how encouraging someone to do their research and study and then decided what is the best action to take is homicide. My point isn't to encourage women to be stupid and put themselves in danger. That is the complete opposite of the whole reason I shared this. I wrote it to ENCOURAGE LIFE... not to ENDANGER it. Again, I am sorry this post made you so upset or hurt you in any way. That was not my intention.

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